Sometimes caring for someone slowly turns into managing them.
- You anticipate what they need.
- You try to prevent disappointment.
- You fix problems before they happen.
- You monitor how everyone is feeling.
And eventually it becomes hard to tell where being loving ends and taking responsibility for another adult begins.
In this episode of Notes to My Nervous System, I talk with psychologist Dr. Jennifer Dragonette about codependency, attachment, boundaries, relationship patterns, and what happens when trying to keep a relationship safe starts requiring you to manage too much of it.
We also talk about something deceptively simple: What changes when we stop guessing what other people need and start asking?
What does codependency actually mean?
"Codependency" is used constantly in relationship conversations, but it is important to know that codependency is not a formal psychiatric diagnosis. There is also no single universally accepted clinical definition. People often use the term to describe patterns such as excessive caretaking, difficulty saying no, taking responsibility for another person's emotions or choices, losing sight of one's own needs, or organizing relationships around keeping someone else stable. That can be useful descriptive language. But I would be cautious about turning every instance of helping, compromise, or emotional dependence into pathology. Humans are interdependent. Healthy relationships involve needing each other. The more useful question is often: Am I supporting this person — or have I started assuming responsibility for things that actually belong to them?
When helping becomes over-functioning
This can be especially difficult for capable people. You know how to fix the problem. You can remember the appointment. You can handle the difficult conversation. You can anticipate what is going to go wrong. So you do. Again and again. Eventually one person may be carrying more and more responsibility while the other carries less.
That does not necessarily happen because either person intentionally created the dynamic. Relationship patterns are often reinforced over time because, at least initially, they work.
- The bills get paid.
- The conflict gets avoided.
- The children get where they need to go.
- Everyone keeps moving.
But a strategy can solve an immediate problem while creating a long-term imbalance.
Is codependency a "nervous system protection strategy"?
This is one place where I would make the website more precise than the current podcast description. Some people who over-function or struggle with boundaries may have histories in which monitoring other people's emotions or preventing conflict felt important. Trauma, unpredictable relationships, anxiety, attachment experiences, family roles, or learned behavior may all contribute. But we cannot say that codependency is a specific nervous-system survival response. There are many possible pathways into these patterns.
So rather than asking: "What nervous-system state caused this?" I prefer: "When did this pattern become useful, what keeps reinforcing it now, and does it still work for me?" That leaves room for the person's actual history rather than forcing the behavior into one biological explanation.
Attachment can help us understand relationship patterns — but it is not destiny
Dr. Dragonette and I also talk about attachment. Attachment theory gives us a framework for understanding how early and later relationships can influence expectations around closeness, responsiveness, trust, and separation. But the popular internet version of attachment theory often becomes too rigid. People are not permanently divided into four fixed personality types. Attachment-related patterns can vary across relationships and circumstances, and they can change over time.
So "moving toward secure attachment" is better understood as developing more secure ways of relating — such as communicating directly, tolerating appropriate independence, responding consistently, repairing after conflict, and being able to depend on other people without losing yourself in the relationship. It is not flipping your nervous system from one attachment state into another.
Why boundaries can feel difficult
Sometimes setting a boundary creates discomfort long before anything bad has actually happened.
You may worry:
- Will they be angry?
- Am I disappointing them?
- What if they think I don't care?
- Would it be easier if I just did it myself?
Those reactions can come from many places: previous experiences, family expectations, anxiety, conflict avoidance, perfectionism, attachment patterns, or simply not having much practice saying no. The presence of anxiety does not prove a boundary is dangerous. And the absence of anxiety does not automatically make a boundary healthy. The goal is to evaluate the actual situation rather than treating the intensity of the feeling as the final answer.
A request says: "Would you please do this differently?" A boundary says: "Here is what I will do if this situation continues." You can ask for change, explain your needs, negotiate — but another adult still has autonomy. Sometimes the real work of setting a boundary is deciding what you are willing to do when the other person chooses differently. That is often much harder than finding the perfect sentence.
Stop guessing and start asking
One of my favorite parts of this conversation is the idea of moving from a guessing culture to an asking culture. Relationships can become exhausting when everyone is expected to anticipate everyone else's needs. You think: They should know I'm overwhelmed. They think: If she wanted help, she would ask. Both people become increasingly frustrated while neither person has actually said what they need.
Asking changes the equation.
- "Are you looking for advice or do you want me to listen?"
- "Would it help if I handled this tonight?"
- "I need help with this. Can you take it?"
- "What did you mean when you said that?"
Asking does not guarantee you will like the answer. But it gives you information that guessing cannot.
Being known and being competent in relationships
Dr. Dragonette talks about the importance of feeling both known and competent within relationships. There is a useful tension there. We want people close to us to understand us. At the same time, healthy adult relationships generally require allowing the other person to remain capable of managing parts of their own life. If I constantly anticipate, intervene, correct, remind, or rescue, my actions may unintentionally communicate: I don't trust you to handle this. That does not mean partners should never help one another. It means help works differently when it is collaborative rather than compulsory.
What about "glimmers"?
The word glimmer has become popular in nervous-system and polyvagal conversations to describe small moments that feel pleasant, connected, or safe. I think the concept can be useful as an attention practice. You notice the dog sleeping in the sun. Someone makes you laugh. You feel comfortable sitting next to your partner. You notice a moment when you are not bracing for the next problem. There is nothing wrong with deliberately noticing positive or settling experiences. Paying attention to moments of connection, pleasure, competence, or ease can broaden what we notice instead of allowing threat and problems to consume all of our attention.
Secure relationships do not mean never feeling anxious
Secure attachment is sometimes portrayed online as a state where you never worry about your relationship.
- Real relationships are messier than that.
- People misunderstand each other.
- They disappoint each other.
- They get stressed.
- Sometimes one person needs reassurance.
- Sometimes someone needs distance.
Security is less about never becoming activated and more about what the relationship repeatedly demonstrates over time: Can we ask? Can we answer honestly? Can we disagree? Can we repair? Can both people remain full people inside the relationship? Those patterns matter more than achieving a permanent feeling of calm.
In This Episode, We Discuss
- What people usually mean by codependency, and why it is not a formal diagnosis
- The difference between supporting someone and taking excessive responsibility for them
- How attachment experiences can influence adult relationships without determining them
- Why boundaries can feel emotionally difficult even when they are appropriate
- Moving from a guessing culture to an asking culture
- Why constantly rescuing or managing another adult can inadvertently undermine their autonomy
- How to communicate needs more directly
- What people mean by "secure attachment" and why attachment patterns are not fixed identities
- Using "glimmers" as an attention practice without overstating the neuroscience
- Building relationships where people can feel both connected and capable
Episode Highlights
Understanding codependency
How caretaking, over-functioning, and managing relationships can become established patterns.
Boundaries when saying no feels difficult
Why boundaries can create strong emotions and how to respond more deliberately.
Moving toward more secure relationships
Attachment, direct communication, asking instead of assuming, and creating room for both people to remain capable.
Frequently Asked Questions
No. Codependency is widely used in therapy and popular psychology, but it is not a formal DSM psychiatric diagnosis and does not have one universally accepted definition.
The term commonly describes patterns involving excessive caretaking, difficulty maintaining boundaries, taking responsibility for another person's feelings or behavior, or organizing one's life around another person's needs. Individual situations vary considerably.
Early family relationships and learned roles can influence adult relationship patterns, but there is no single cause of codependency. Anxiety, attachment experiences, family culture, reinforcement, temperament, trauma history, and current relationship dynamics may all contribute.
Attachment-related patterns are not necessarily fixed for life. Relationships, experiences, psychotherapy, and deliberate behavioral changes can influence how people relate to closeness, trust, dependence, and conflict.
Not in a simple or established biological sense. Stress and physiological responses may accompany relationship patterns, but codependency itself should not be presented as a specific autonomic state or survival response.
"Glimmer" is an informal term for a brief experience of pleasure, connection, comfort, or perceived safety. Paying attention to positive experiences can be useful, but claims that glimmers specifically rewire or reset the nervous system exceed the current evidence.
From Erin Vandermore, Host
One pattern I see repeatedly in therapy is that people can understand intellectually that another person's emotions are not entirely their responsibility — and still feel a powerful urge to fix the situation. That gap between knowing and accessing a different response is one of the reasons I started this podcast.
When a situation becomes overloaded, adding more thinking, more explaining, or more pressure is not always the most useful first response. Mind Circuit applies that observation to a specific classroom problem. When participation gets off track, teachers can use a brief standardized sequence: Notice → Match → Reset → Return to instruction. Teachers identify what they can observe, choose a brief 30–90 second reset, model it, and return to teaching. Mind Circuit is an educational classroom tool and its companion app Mind Circuit Ease applies the same principles to adult life.
